Lee
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Post by Lee on Feb 20, 2014 2:41:26 GMT
So the question came up....was Christ considered King during his days in the flesh?
And when he was asked if he was King by Pilate, was he in fact implying "yes", or was he saying "You said that (ie not my words)"
From the beginning Christ was determined to be King by God, and even at his birth it is said
Mat 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
But was he actually "King de facto" while he was here on earth, or is he still waiting to become King?
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Post by glendon on Feb 20, 2014 13:28:20 GMT
Hi Lee, Great forum! Thank you for inviting me to join.
My thoughts are that Jesus was heir to the throne, in that he would receive the kingdom in the future, when his Father transfers authority to him. In this regard, he is like any mortal prince.
He is more than just a prince, however, because a mortal prince may or may not gain kingship. He may die. Others may take the throne before he ascends it. Christ, on the contrary, was born with the specific purpose of being King of the Jews. He is predestined as King. It WILL happen, as sure has God is the king today. In that sense Christ is more than a prince. He is the destined ruler. His name is already on the papers. It is so sure that it is quite appropriate for him to be called King now, although he does not act in that capacity at the present time, nor did he in the past. Luke 19:12 describes Christ as a nobleman who goes away to receive for himself a kingdom. The position has already been reserved for him, his name already etched into the throne, but certain things must be done before he returns to exercise the full capacity of that position.
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Post by jopa on Feb 20, 2014 16:37:35 GMT
My thought on this is fairly simple and seem the same as Glendon's. Jesus was the descendant of David through Joseph. He was the firstborn and therefore we was the rightful heir to the throne of the Kingdom. He was or was to be prophet, priest and king. He became a prophet when the Holy Spirit came upon him after his baptism. He was a priest because he was a descendant of Levi through Mary's lineage and, in addition, he was the firstborn which were priests prior to the Levites (He was not High Priest until after his resurrection). He was king because he was a descendant of David as mentioned before but he never sat on the throne because there was a usurper on the throne in the line of Herod and/or the Sanhedrin's high priest.
He was born "king of the Jews" and there were a few times that the people wanted to make him king. Why did he avoid this gesture? Because he had to accomplish other things besides rule as son of David or one of his descendants. He had to deal with sin and death before he sat on the throne or his rule would be temporary as the other kings that came before him.
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Lee
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Post by Lee on Feb 20, 2014 19:30:44 GMT
Thank you both for the reply!! One clarification, what was Christs meaning on his reply "thou sayest it"?
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